Date: October 8, 2007
Entery Number: 30
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 176
Phoebe is like on of the best characters ever. She's really great but I think that is partially due to the fact that she is still pretty young. "I can make it go up to over the thermoneter...You cross your legs and hold your breath and think of something very, very hot. A radiator or something. Then yourwhole forehead gets so hot you can burn somebody's hand." That just cracks me up as it does Holden. Little kids are the best, well sometimes. Even though Phoebe is ten she still seems like a little kid. I like her spunk and quick wittedness and she's not as crazy as Holden. She is very interesting like her brother but in a different way. If Allie was still alive it probably would have been a tie between them both but then Holden would be different too. Phoebe is a great character and serves a little like comic relief from all the worries and problems of the rest of Holden's life.
Sunday, October 14, 2007
Journal Entery
Date: October 8, 2007
Entery Number: 29
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 175
Holden has this really weird thing with dancing. He really doesn't like it when people don't know how to dance. He taught his little sister the basics to dancing but "You can't teach somebody how to really dance." Phoebe does know how to dance though and Holden enjoys it. But what is really funny is that in between songs Phoebe will hold her last position that she was in from the previous song and then start dancing when the next song comes on. You aren't suppose to talk, "...laugh or anything, either." I can really picture it and it is just hilarious. Pheobe is definately her own individual.
Entery Number: 29
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 175
Holden has this really weird thing with dancing. He really doesn't like it when people don't know how to dance. He taught his little sister the basics to dancing but "You can't teach somebody how to really dance." Phoebe does know how to dance though and Holden enjoys it. But what is really funny is that in between songs Phoebe will hold her last position that she was in from the previous song and then start dancing when the next song comes on. You aren't suppose to talk, "...laugh or anything, either." I can really picture it and it is just hilarious. Pheobe is definately her own individual.
Journal Entery
Date: October 6, 2007
Entery Number: 28
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 173
It is kind of hard to interpret the meaning, the very indepth meaning, to what Holden wants to be. He imagines a bunch of little kids, no adults/older people except him, playing a game in a field of rye and he would be standing on the cliff's edge ready to catch them. "What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff-I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them...I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all." Holden got this idea from the song that says "If a body meet a body coming through the rye" but Holden always puts catch where meet is. The fact that he would be the only older person in the field shows that he is still just a kid. When I think of him catching all the kids not looking where they are going, about to fall off the cliff, I think of him trying to keep the kids from growing up and becoming adults. He would be keeping them from falling off/ becoming adults and returning them to the field of youth. Holden doesn't know how he is going to fit in with society and I don't think he really wants to grow up or knows how. May be he is trying to save them from the problems they will have to face with growing up and he doesn't want them to have to go through that like he is. When you are a little kid, you don't have many problems,worries, or concerns and may be that is what he wants to keep them from gaining and becoming corrupt or fake. That is also another trait of little kids. They say it exactly as it is. They are not phony like so many other people are who Holden hates. It is hard to understand what Holden means and I doubt he fully understand either. But it is quite interesting.
Entery Number: 28
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 173
It is kind of hard to interpret the meaning, the very indepth meaning, to what Holden wants to be. He imagines a bunch of little kids, no adults/older people except him, playing a game in a field of rye and he would be standing on the cliff's edge ready to catch them. "What I have to do, I have to catch everybody if they start to go over the cliff-I mean if they're running and they don't look where they're going I have to come out from somewhere and catch them...I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all." Holden got this idea from the song that says "If a body meet a body coming through the rye" but Holden always puts catch where meet is. The fact that he would be the only older person in the field shows that he is still just a kid. When I think of him catching all the kids not looking where they are going, about to fall off the cliff, I think of him trying to keep the kids from growing up and becoming adults. He would be keeping them from falling off/ becoming adults and returning them to the field of youth. Holden doesn't know how he is going to fit in with society and I don't think he really wants to grow up or knows how. May be he is trying to save them from the problems they will have to face with growing up and he doesn't want them to have to go through that like he is. When you are a little kid, you don't have many problems,worries, or concerns and may be that is what he wants to keep them from gaining and becoming corrupt or fake. That is also another trait of little kids. They say it exactly as it is. They are not phony like so many other people are who Holden hates. It is hard to understand what Holden means and I doubt he fully understand either. But it is quite interesting.
Journal Entery
Date: October 6, 2007
Entery Number: 27
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 170-171
I find it really sad but really dumb about that boy, James Castle at Elkton Hills, that jumped out the window because some stupid guys wanted him to take back a truethful statement that he made. They locked the door, beat him up, and when he still wouldn't take it back he jumped out the window. "He was dead, and his teeth, and blood, were all over the place, and nobody would even go near him." All they did to the guys that beat him up and who were the major cause of his death, was expel them. It was good for him to stand up to those thugs and stand for what he believed in but to jump out of the window was really stupid. I geuss that was the only way he thought he was going to get away from those guys and guys like them. It is really sad the problems we have in this world, in this country, in our schools, and even in our homes. Situations in the home are what form the person into who they will be and what they will become.
Entery Number: 27
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 170-171
I find it really sad but really dumb about that boy, James Castle at Elkton Hills, that jumped out the window because some stupid guys wanted him to take back a truethful statement that he made. They locked the door, beat him up, and when he still wouldn't take it back he jumped out the window. "He was dead, and his teeth, and blood, were all over the place, and nobody would even go near him." All they did to the guys that beat him up and who were the major cause of his death, was expel them. It was good for him to stand up to those thugs and stand for what he believed in but to jump out of the window was really stupid. I geuss that was the only way he thought he was going to get away from those guys and guys like them. It is really sad the problems we have in this world, in this country, in our schools, and even in our homes. Situations in the home are what form the person into who they will be and what they will become.
Journal Entery
Date: October 6, 2007
Entery Number: 26
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 164-165
Phoebe, Holden's sister, is a pretty quick kid and I mean that in a couple different ways. She's quick at changing courses of conversations and at figuring things out. It was funny, she was telling Holden how this boy pushed her because she put ink on his jacket because he kept following her around. Holden tells her that he probably likes her, which I totally agree with, but of course she doesn't want him to like her and then she changes the subject to why he wasn't home on Wednesday. Because Holden is not home on Wednesday but about three days early, she jumps to the conclusion that he got kicked out, which is exactly what happened. Holden has gotten kicked out of about three other schools so she geusses that right off the bat. HE tries to convience her otherwise by telling her, "They let us out early" but of course she's smart and catches on. She is a really smart kid and pretty funny too.
Entery Number: 26
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 164-165
Phoebe, Holden's sister, is a pretty quick kid and I mean that in a couple different ways. She's quick at changing courses of conversations and at figuring things out. It was funny, she was telling Holden how this boy pushed her because she put ink on his jacket because he kept following her around. Holden tells her that he probably likes her, which I totally agree with, but of course she doesn't want him to like her and then she changes the subject to why he wasn't home on Wednesday. Because Holden is not home on Wednesday but about three days early, she jumps to the conclusion that he got kicked out, which is exactly what happened. Holden has gotten kicked out of about three other schools so she geusses that right off the bat. HE tries to convience her otherwise by telling her, "They let us out early" but of course she's smart and catches on. She is a really smart kid and pretty funny too.
Journal Entery
Date: October 5, 2007
Entery Number: 25
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 155-156
I find it interesting how Holden says when you die you get stuck in a cemeter, "Surrounded by dead guys." Of course you're going to be surrounded by dead guys but you will be one yourself and it's not like they are moving around or talking. It's sad though how HOlden doesn't like to visit his brother's grave much because he doesn't like seeing him that way. Dead, stuck in the ground, surrounded by dead guys, grass growing on top of him, and flowers on his stomache. Holden doesn't understand why people put flowers on others graves because the person is dead and "Who wants flowers when you're dead?" He hated it though when it would start to rain and everyone would jump in their cars and then go somewhere nice to eat. All of them could go and eat but not Allie. I bet if Holden would've been allowed to, he would have stayed there and probably cried on Allie's grave while everyone else went out to eat. Holden's love for his brother was very great. If Allie had lived, I believe Holden would have had a much better life and not ended up in the pschyco asylum.
Entery Number: 25
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 155-156
I find it interesting how Holden says when you die you get stuck in a cemeter, "Surrounded by dead guys." Of course you're going to be surrounded by dead guys but you will be one yourself and it's not like they are moving around or talking. It's sad though how HOlden doesn't like to visit his brother's grave much because he doesn't like seeing him that way. Dead, stuck in the ground, surrounded by dead guys, grass growing on top of him, and flowers on his stomache. Holden doesn't understand why people put flowers on others graves because the person is dead and "Who wants flowers when you're dead?" He hated it though when it would start to rain and everyone would jump in their cars and then go somewhere nice to eat. All of them could go and eat but not Allie. I bet if Holden would've been allowed to, he would have stayed there and probably cried on Allie's grave while everyone else went out to eat. Holden's love for his brother was very great. If Allie had lived, I believe Holden would have had a much better life and not ended up in the pschyco asylum.
Journal Entery
Date: October 5, 2007
Entery Number: 24
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 150
"...I felt like giving old Jane a buzz...But when I got inside this phone booth, I wasn't much in the mood any more to give old Jane a buzz. I was too drunk, I guess." This type of situation has happened many times; he's wanted to call Jane but then all of a sudden didn't feel like it anymore. I think partially why this is, is because he is ashamed of some of the stuff he has been doing and wouldn't want Jane to find out. There is only a few people whose opinions he cares about and I think Jane is one of them. He was really drunk and if he were to call Jane, then Jane would probably think less of him for it and the way he would be acting. If Jane thought little of him that would probably make him more depressed and commit suicide or something. Holden really does care about Jane and the way she thinks of him.
Entery Number: 24
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 150
"...I felt like giving old Jane a buzz...But when I got inside this phone booth, I wasn't much in the mood any more to give old Jane a buzz. I was too drunk, I guess." This type of situation has happened many times; he's wanted to call Jane but then all of a sudden didn't feel like it anymore. I think partially why this is, is because he is ashamed of some of the stuff he has been doing and wouldn't want Jane to find out. There is only a few people whose opinions he cares about and I think Jane is one of them. He was really drunk and if he were to call Jane, then Jane would probably think less of him for it and the way he would be acting. If Jane thought little of him that would probably make him more depressed and commit suicide or something. Holden really does care about Jane and the way she thinks of him.
Saturday, October 13, 2007
Journal Entery
Date: October 5, 2007
Entery Number: 23
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 149
I find it kind of funny when Holden says, "People never give your message to anybody." This time he had asked a guy to ask this singing lady at this bar, Valencia, to have a drink with him. Holden was really drunk and gave her the eye when she was singing and then left the stage really quickly after she finished. The reason why I find that quote, in that situation, funny is because I bet a lot of drunk guys ask her if she would have a drink with them. So why would Holden be any specialler than any other guy and have the privilage to have her drink with him? If I was her I would have done the same thing. Get off the stage as quickly as possible and refuse any offers to go drink with some guy. But first of all, if I were her I wouldn't be working there and drinking is totally out of the question. That's an absolute no. But anyway, I find it funny how he thinks he is so special.
Entery Number: 23
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 149
I find it kind of funny when Holden says, "People never give your message to anybody." This time he had asked a guy to ask this singing lady at this bar, Valencia, to have a drink with him. Holden was really drunk and gave her the eye when she was singing and then left the stage really quickly after she finished. The reason why I find that quote, in that situation, funny is because I bet a lot of drunk guys ask her if she would have a drink with them. So why would Holden be any specialler than any other guy and have the privilage to have her drink with him? If I was her I would have done the same thing. Get off the stage as quickly as possible and refuse any offers to go drink with some guy. But first of all, if I were her I wouldn't be working there and drinking is totally out of the question. That's an absolute no. But anyway, I find it funny how he thinks he is so special.
Friday, October 12, 2007
Journal Entery
Date: October 4, 2007
Entery Number: 22
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 143
I find it interesting how back in the 1950's they called gays flits. Back then the word gay was still probably used in its proper form to mean happy. Actually, before this book I had never really heard of the word flit as used for a homosexual male and neither had my sister. I actually looked up both words in the American Heritage Student Dictionary and flit doesn't say anything about homosexuals but gay does. I wonder if dictionaries really do change with the times and the meanings people give words? Well anyway, there is this guy, Carl Luce and supposibly he is suppose to know every flit in the US but I find it interesting how Holden has thought him almost a flit cause he was always doing flitty things like leaving the can door open and talking to you at the same time. This guy Luce actually says "...you could turn into one practically overnight, if you had all the traits and all" which is quite ironic because he has some of those traits. You never can tell all the time though if someone is gay or not. Most of the time it is quite obvious though. How they walk, talk, act. It is actually kind of creepy.
Entery Number: 22
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 143
I find it interesting how back in the 1950's they called gays flits. Back then the word gay was still probably used in its proper form to mean happy. Actually, before this book I had never really heard of the word flit as used for a homosexual male and neither had my sister. I actually looked up both words in the American Heritage Student Dictionary and flit doesn't say anything about homosexuals but gay does. I wonder if dictionaries really do change with the times and the meanings people give words? Well anyway, there is this guy, Carl Luce and supposibly he is suppose to know every flit in the US but I find it interesting how Holden has thought him almost a flit cause he was always doing flitty things like leaving the can door open and talking to you at the same time. This guy Luce actually says "...you could turn into one practically overnight, if you had all the traits and all" which is quite ironic because he has some of those traits. You never can tell all the time though if someone is gay or not. Most of the time it is quite obvious though. How they walk, talk, act. It is actually kind of creepy.
Journal Entery
Date: October 4, 2007
Entery Number: 21
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 140-141
I, like Holden, find it interesting how D.B. hated the war but he likes war books. While Holden is talking about it he says D.B got him to read this book A Farewell To Arms last summer. I find it quite interesting because almost last summer I also read that book. It was really over Christmas vacation though. It is an pretty good book but the beginning is slightly boring and confusing but it does get better. It does have a very sad ending though. But anyway, while Holden is talking about the war he says "I swear, if there's ever another war, they better just take me out and stick me in front of a firing squad. I wouldn't object." He also says, "If there's ever another war,I'm going to sit right the hell on top of it. I'll volunteer for it..." (He was talking about the atomic bomb.)It is kind of sad how Holden is always wanting to die or at least he says so. He needs to find a meaning in his life. These quotes kind of indicate that Holden is a bit of a coward. He'd rather die for no cause at all than die actually serving his country. Also they show his ignorance. No one would be volunteering to ride an atomic bomb. They wouldn't allow it nor would the army purposefully stick a solitary soldier in front of a firing squad. If Holden wouldn't cooperate they would probably make him scrub the floors with a toothbrush. He is quite ridiculous sometimes.
Entery Number: 21
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 140-141
I, like Holden, find it interesting how D.B. hated the war but he likes war books. While Holden is talking about it he says D.B got him to read this book A Farewell To Arms last summer. I find it quite interesting because almost last summer I also read that book. It was really over Christmas vacation though. It is an pretty good book but the beginning is slightly boring and confusing but it does get better. It does have a very sad ending though. But anyway, while Holden is talking about the war he says "I swear, if there's ever another war, they better just take me out and stick me in front of a firing squad. I wouldn't object." He also says, "If there's ever another war,I'm going to sit right the hell on top of it. I'll volunteer for it..." (He was talking about the atomic bomb.)It is kind of sad how Holden is always wanting to die or at least he says so. He needs to find a meaning in his life. These quotes kind of indicate that Holden is a bit of a coward. He'd rather die for no cause at all than die actually serving his country. Also they show his ignorance. No one would be volunteering to ride an atomic bomb. They wouldn't allow it nor would the army purposefully stick a solitary soldier in front of a firing squad. If Holden wouldn't cooperate they would probably make him scrub the floors with a toothbrush. He is quite ridiculous sometimes.
Journal Entery
Date: October 3, 2007
Entery Number: 20
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 130-134
Holden shouldn't have attacked Sally with all his questions, complaints, and ideas in one setting. Holden has way to many complaints and strange ideas that someone might even be repulsed by him because of all his complaints and theories. And to tell a girl who is a phony, which is one of his complainsts, isn't smart. He really got out of control and I can believe it when Sally says, "Don't shout, please." Holden didn't think he was yelling but he probably was or talking really loud. When you get excited about stuff the way he was, you tend to talk faster and louder. It's crazy though when he comes up with his plan fpr him and Sally to get out of New York and move into a cabin together some place far away and maybe even get married. If some guy ever asked me to go away with him and live with him and be his little wife in that manner, I would probably flip out even if it was a guy I really liked. That's just crazy. You don't attack a girl with all your complaints and then ask her to marry you. It just doesn't work that way. Holden later says, "...I don't even know why I started all that stuff with her...I probably wouldn't've taken her even if she'd wanted to go with me." But it is interesting how Holden says that they wouldn't have oodles of places to go once they go older and it wouldn't be the same. She was trying to be sensible but Holden was being difficult. The way Holden says it, it really demonstrates how it would be different when doing stuff when you are older, out of college, and being an adult verses being a kid and "eloping" somewhere totally different. It really wouldn't be the same.
Entery Number: 20
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 130-134
Holden shouldn't have attacked Sally with all his questions, complaints, and ideas in one setting. Holden has way to many complaints and strange ideas that someone might even be repulsed by him because of all his complaints and theories. And to tell a girl who is a phony, which is one of his complainsts, isn't smart. He really got out of control and I can believe it when Sally says, "Don't shout, please." Holden didn't think he was yelling but he probably was or talking really loud. When you get excited about stuff the way he was, you tend to talk faster and louder. It's crazy though when he comes up with his plan fpr him and Sally to get out of New York and move into a cabin together some place far away and maybe even get married. If some guy ever asked me to go away with him and live with him and be his little wife in that manner, I would probably flip out even if it was a guy I really liked. That's just crazy. You don't attack a girl with all your complaints and then ask her to marry you. It just doesn't work that way. Holden later says, "...I don't even know why I started all that stuff with her...I probably wouldn't've taken her even if she'd wanted to go with me." But it is interesting how Holden says that they wouldn't have oodles of places to go once they go older and it wouldn't be the same. She was trying to be sensible but Holden was being difficult. The way Holden says it, it really demonstrates how it would be different when doing stuff when you are older, out of college, and being an adult verses being a kid and "eloping" somewhere totally different. It really wouldn't be the same.
Journal Entery
Date: October 3, 2007
Entery Number: 19
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 123
Holden is an extraordinary character. While waiting for Sally at the theater, Holden does some "site seeing". There was lots of girls waiting for their dates and all. But what I find interesting is Holden starts thinking about what "dopey guys" all those girls will end up marrying in the end. He feels sorry for them and gets depressed. What kind of guy would do that? What kind of guy would actually be thinking about that? The answer is only Holden and maybe a few other guys but not many. Not many at all. It is kind of sweet in a way how he does care for all girls sometimes. But everytime Holden does something that can be taken a sweet he always has to ruin it by going and doing something stupid. But it is pretty cool how he does show consern for all of them. But it is also funny how he is always thinking about others future and not much of his own. Holden is a very interesting character.
Entery Number: 19
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 123
Holden is an extraordinary character. While waiting for Sally at the theater, Holden does some "site seeing". There was lots of girls waiting for their dates and all. But what I find interesting is Holden starts thinking about what "dopey guys" all those girls will end up marrying in the end. He feels sorry for them and gets depressed. What kind of guy would do that? What kind of guy would actually be thinking about that? The answer is only Holden and maybe a few other guys but not many. Not many at all. It is kind of sweet in a way how he does care for all girls sometimes. But everytime Holden does something that can be taken a sweet he always has to ruin it by going and doing something stupid. But it is pretty cool how he does show consern for all of them. But it is also funny how he is always thinking about others future and not much of his own. Holden is a very interesting character.
Journal Entery
Date: October 2, 2007
Entery Number: 18
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 119-122
The Musuem of Natural History is a pretty big symbol. Holden says, "Nobody'd move...nobody'd be different. The only thing that would be different would be you." He later says that you wouldn't necessarily be older but you might have a new partner or had on a new jacket or saw or heard something different before or after you went to the musuem but really you were older every time you went. In a way it show how times have changed but the museum itself has not changed. Holden is a little like the musuem how he isn't changing much and having a hard time finding his place in life. While everyone around him is finding their place and becoming adults he is staying the same and can not find his way. But he has changed since he was a little kid. He knows more. He had experienced more. I can't explain this symbol very well but it is really important.
Entery Number: 18
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 119-122
The Musuem of Natural History is a pretty big symbol. Holden says, "Nobody'd move...nobody'd be different. The only thing that would be different would be you." He later says that you wouldn't necessarily be older but you might have a new partner or had on a new jacket or saw or heard something different before or after you went to the musuem but really you were older every time you went. In a way it show how times have changed but the museum itself has not changed. Holden is a little like the musuem how he isn't changing much and having a hard time finding his place in life. While everyone around him is finding their place and becoming adults he is staying the same and can not find his way. But he has changed since he was a little kid. He knows more. He had experienced more. I can't explain this symbol very well but it is really important.
Journal Entery
Date: October 2, 2007
Entery Number: 17
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 111
I'm surprised that Holden was actually able to read Romeo and Juliet and pretty much understand it. Holden's favorite character was Mercutio who was smart and entertaining in Holden's eyes. Mercutio was a pretty cool character though. If their was a guy like Mercutio in real life in Holden's story, they probably would have been best friends even if Mercutio was a bad influence on Holden. He really dislikes the fact that Mercutio dies all because of Romeo. It's kind of funny how Holden remembers that Mercutio dies because of Romeo but he doesn't remember who really killed him. "That's right. Tybalt...I always forgot that guy's name. It was Romeo's fault." I think the reaon why Holden always remembered that it was Romeo's fault that Merc died was because in a way he betrayed Mercutio. It was accidental though. He kind of betrayed Mercutio by thinking only of Juliet and letting him down by not allowing him stand up for his, Romeo's, own reputation which Mercutio was trying to save and defend. It makes sense for Holden to dislike Romeo. He got his best friend killed, the whole play is about him and Juliet, and they end up killing themselves in the end. It is a good play and Holden would agree but it does have parts in it that aren't to awesome.
Entery Number: 17
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 111
I'm surprised that Holden was actually able to read Romeo and Juliet and pretty much understand it. Holden's favorite character was Mercutio who was smart and entertaining in Holden's eyes. Mercutio was a pretty cool character though. If their was a guy like Mercutio in real life in Holden's story, they probably would have been best friends even if Mercutio was a bad influence on Holden. He really dislikes the fact that Mercutio dies all because of Romeo. It's kind of funny how Holden remembers that Mercutio dies because of Romeo but he doesn't remember who really killed him. "That's right. Tybalt...I always forgot that guy's name. It was Romeo's fault." I think the reaon why Holden always remembered that it was Romeo's fault that Merc died was because in a way he betrayed Mercutio. It was accidental though. He kind of betrayed Mercutio by thinking only of Juliet and letting him down by not allowing him stand up for his, Romeo's, own reputation which Mercutio was trying to save and defend. It makes sense for Holden to dislike Romeo. He got his best friend killed, the whole play is about him and Juliet, and they end up killing themselves in the end. It is a good play and Holden would agree but it does have parts in it that aren't to awesome.
Journal Entery
Date: October 1, 2007
Entery Number: 16
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 103-104
Holden is excellent at provoking people to beat him up. At Pencey he kept calling Stradlater a stupid moron and calling him other things and telling him stuff that probably was pretty much true and he ended up on the floor, hurt and everything. Well Holden refused to pay the hooker the 10 bucks that he was suppose to give her because he already gave the 5 that the elevator guy told him was for a throw. Of course as you might remember, he didn't follow through with it. So the the pair of them came to get the money he supposedly owned them. The guy basically had him corned, slightly abusing him, and Sunny, the hooker, got the other five out of his wallet. Holden calls him a moron and basically says that in a couple of years he would be a begging hobo. That got the guy really mad so he smacked him and then punched him or maybe just punched him. It's not to clear on that. But the way Holden is always provoking people,you'd think he liked being punched or hurt. He actually pretends like he got shot and was bleeding all over the place and starts plotting his revenge in his imagination, which was totally action movie status. On page 45 afer fighting with Stradlater and seeing the blood all over his face and clothes he says' "All that blood and all sort of made me look tough." Holden is a very strange kid with a mind that is hard to follow.
Entery Number: 16
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 103-104
Holden is excellent at provoking people to beat him up. At Pencey he kept calling Stradlater a stupid moron and calling him other things and telling him stuff that probably was pretty much true and he ended up on the floor, hurt and everything. Well Holden refused to pay the hooker the 10 bucks that he was suppose to give her because he already gave the 5 that the elevator guy told him was for a throw. Of course as you might remember, he didn't follow through with it. So the the pair of them came to get the money he supposedly owned them. The guy basically had him corned, slightly abusing him, and Sunny, the hooker, got the other five out of his wallet. Holden calls him a moron and basically says that in a couple of years he would be a begging hobo. That got the guy really mad so he smacked him and then punched him or maybe just punched him. It's not to clear on that. But the way Holden is always provoking people,you'd think he liked being punched or hurt. He actually pretends like he got shot and was bleeding all over the place and starts plotting his revenge in his imagination, which was totally action movie status. On page 45 afer fighting with Stradlater and seeing the blood all over his face and clothes he says' "All that blood and all sort of made me look tough." Holden is a very strange kid with a mind that is hard to follow.
Journal Entery
Date: October 1, 2007
Entery Number: 15
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 99
I find it interesting how Holden really doesn't like Christ's diciples but he does like Jesus but he considers himself atheist. Holden says, "They were all right after Jesus was dead and all, but while He was alive, they were about as much use to Him as a hole in his head. All they did was keep letting Him down." I haven't studied the New Testiment all to much but it's not like they let him down on purpose. They were still learning and that's how come they did alright after Jesus died. But as you remember he rose on the third day and then there is no account that he died again after that. He ascended into the heavens, visited the Lamanites and Nephites in the Americans, spent time with them and taught them the gospel, and then asended back into the heavens to dwell with the Father. This quote also does show that Holden values friendship. True friendship. I think Holden's only other true friend besides his brothers and sister would be Jane Gallagher. Holden thinks in very strange was but it makes sense for him.
Entery Number: 15
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 99
I find it interesting how Holden really doesn't like Christ's diciples but he does like Jesus but he considers himself atheist. Holden says, "They were all right after Jesus was dead and all, but while He was alive, they were about as much use to Him as a hole in his head. All they did was keep letting Him down." I haven't studied the New Testiment all to much but it's not like they let him down on purpose. They were still learning and that's how come they did alright after Jesus died. But as you remember he rose on the third day and then there is no account that he died again after that. He ascended into the heavens, visited the Lamanites and Nephites in the Americans, spent time with them and taught them the gospel, and then asended back into the heavens to dwell with the Father. This quote also does show that Holden values friendship. True friendship. I think Holden's only other true friend besides his brothers and sister would be Jane Gallagher. Holden thinks in very strange was but it makes sense for him.
Journal Enteries
Date: September 29, 2007
Entery Number: 14
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 91-96
Holden is so stupid. Even though it doesn't say that he did anything with that hooker, you can tell he didn't. He chickened out, which is a very good thing because he is way to young to be participating in those types of activities. He lost money out on having that hooker come over but it was his own fault. He wasn't thinking when the elevator guy asked if he wanted to have a "good time." Holden was very depressed like he is in most of the book and didn't have his head screwed on tight. "That's the whole trouble. When your feeling very depressed, you can't even think." Holden gets all ready for her but when she comes he gets scared and tries not to get into anything by just talking. Hookers really aren't the talking type though. Holden says he when against his principles which is something you should never do. If you are faced with a choice, like you are everyday, think about it first and stick to your principles, as long as their good of course. If you do, most of the time you'll be glad you did. People shouldn't be getting into sexual relationships unless they are married and then they should have a monogomist relationship; no affairs or anything of that sort.
Entery Number: 14
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 91-96
Holden is so stupid. Even though it doesn't say that he did anything with that hooker, you can tell he didn't. He chickened out, which is a very good thing because he is way to young to be participating in those types of activities. He lost money out on having that hooker come over but it was his own fault. He wasn't thinking when the elevator guy asked if he wanted to have a "good time." Holden was very depressed like he is in most of the book and didn't have his head screwed on tight. "That's the whole trouble. When your feeling very depressed, you can't even think." Holden gets all ready for her but when she comes he gets scared and tries not to get into anything by just talking. Hookers really aren't the talking type though. Holden says he when against his principles which is something you should never do. If you are faced with a choice, like you are everyday, think about it first and stick to your principles, as long as their good of course. If you do, most of the time you'll be glad you did. People shouldn't be getting into sexual relationships unless they are married and then they should have a monogomist relationship; no affairs or anything of that sort.
Journal Entery
Date: September 29, 2007
Entery Number: 13
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 85
I am appalled at the service of Ernie's when it comes to alcoholic beverages. "If you were only around six years old, you could get liquor at Ernie's...nobody cared how old you were." That is just crazy. A six year old should not be drinking, nor anybody else under the age of 21. I'm not sure when that law was put in place but it's a pretty good law. Anyone under the age of 21 is to immature and even at that sometimes 21 year olds still are immature. Holden mentions that it is dark in the club but they should still ask to see an ID. They could get in trouble for serving alcohol to minors. It would be interesting to see how the club manager would react if a cop walked in and saw young kids drinking.
Entery Number: 13
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 85
I am appalled at the service of Ernie's when it comes to alcoholic beverages. "If you were only around six years old, you could get liquor at Ernie's...nobody cared how old you were." That is just crazy. A six year old should not be drinking, nor anybody else under the age of 21. I'm not sure when that law was put in place but it's a pretty good law. Anyone under the age of 21 is to immature and even at that sometimes 21 year olds still are immature. Holden mentions that it is dark in the club but they should still ask to see an ID. They could get in trouble for serving alcohol to minors. It would be interesting to see how the club manager would react if a cop walked in and saw young kids drinking.
Friday, October 5, 2007
Journal Entery
Date: September 28, 2007
Entery Number: 12
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 76-79
I think Jane and Holden would have made a cute couple if Holden could ever learn to grow up. He really cares about her, which is totally obvious, and he says, "...I know old Jane like a book..." What guy could ever really know a girl like a book? Which means they did a lot together and he liked her, or at least a little. The whole "scene" with them kissing is really cute. It's adorable. It sounds like it could be in one of those romantic movies that Holden hates. Holden and Jane really did a lot together and Holden trusted her enough to show her Allie's baseball glove. She was the only person outside of his family that he ever showed it to. Holden and Jane would play golf together, (him trying to teach her), they went to movies together, they played checkers together, and I'm sure they did more than just that together. They would have been awesome together as a couple but it would never workd out, because of Holden. He really did care about her though.
Entery Number: 12
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 76-79
I think Jane and Holden would have made a cute couple if Holden could ever learn to grow up. He really cares about her, which is totally obvious, and he says, "...I know old Jane like a book..." What guy could ever really know a girl like a book? Which means they did a lot together and he liked her, or at least a little. The whole "scene" with them kissing is really cute. It's adorable. It sounds like it could be in one of those romantic movies that Holden hates. Holden and Jane really did a lot together and Holden trusted her enough to show her Allie's baseball glove. She was the only person outside of his family that he ever showed it to. Holden and Jane would play golf together, (him trying to teach her), they went to movies together, they played checkers together, and I'm sure they did more than just that together. They would have been awesome together as a couple but it would never workd out, because of Holden. He really did care about her though.
Journal Entery
Date: September 28, 2007
Entery Number: 11
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 70-75
Holden is quite a complicated character. Sometimes the things he does are very noble like and other times he is just dirty. In the Lavender room, where a band was playing, people dancing, drinking, and other stuff, Holden met three ugly girls but he was nice to them and actually danced with all three. That is one thing I really admire about a guy is if he is willing to dance with even one of the ugliest girls ever. He gives her a chance to dance and lets her know that she is special in her own way. I find it really sweet. The girls in the Lavender room weren't very nice though. Holden tried to talk to them, compliment the blonde one on her dancing but she was to busy checking to see if anyone famous was in the room or about to walk in. She didn't even invite him to sit with them. And when they left they didn't even bother to offer to pay their tab. They just left him with it. Holden says, "I think they should've at least offered to pay for the drinks they had before I joined them-I wouldn't've let them,naturally, but they should've at least offered." So you can see how Holden can be quite the gentleman sometimes and he can act older than he is once in a while. I find, at this time, that he was really nice even though there was one weird part mixed in with it all.
Entery Number: 11
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 70-75
Holden is quite a complicated character. Sometimes the things he does are very noble like and other times he is just dirty. In the Lavender room, where a band was playing, people dancing, drinking, and other stuff, Holden met three ugly girls but he was nice to them and actually danced with all three. That is one thing I really admire about a guy is if he is willing to dance with even one of the ugliest girls ever. He gives her a chance to dance and lets her know that she is special in her own way. I find it really sweet. The girls in the Lavender room weren't very nice though. Holden tried to talk to them, compliment the blonde one on her dancing but she was to busy checking to see if anyone famous was in the room or about to walk in. She didn't even invite him to sit with them. And when they left they didn't even bother to offer to pay their tab. They just left him with it. Holden says, "I think they should've at least offered to pay for the drinks they had before I joined them-I wouldn't've let them,naturally, but they should've at least offered." So you can see how Holden can be quite the gentleman sometimes and he can act older than he is once in a while. I find, at this time, that he was really nice even though there was one weird part mixed in with it all.
Journal Entery
Date: September 27, 2007
Entery Number: 10
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 63-70
*Somethings I can understand of Holden and support the decisions he makes like trying to punch Stradlater for his dirty deeds or supposed dirty deeds but then there are things he does that disgust me and I'm totally against. It is so sick when he gets "emotionally stirred up" so he calls that lady that is basically a prostitute and wants her to come over. He can be such a dirt boy sometimes. He says himself, "Sex is something I really don't understand too hot." So why would he engage in something that he doesn't even understand and is completely immoral unless bound in marriage. It's just stupid and disgusting. Also his smoking and drinking problem also. Smoking is just absolutely revolting. I hate it. People who smoke smell bad, they look ugly, their teeth are ugly. I don't see how anybody would want to kiss a guy like that and for guys how could they kiss a girl who smoked and had to put a ton of makeup on to hid her ugliness. Smoking is just gross. It's is rather sad though, when many who have smoked and tried to stop or have stopped come up positive for cancer. But those who continue to smoke have less problems. It shouldn't be that way. Those who truely want to stop shouldn't be challenged with cance but you reap what you sow. It's a sad fate. That's why you should never get into such habits that will damage you, short term or long term. Also, Holden's drinking problem. He's only sixteen and he's into smoking and drinking. I'm just glad most of the time in the story it is not given to him. Drinking can some of the best men and women into the meanest or stupidest people ever. So many lives are lost due to drinking. Holden is still learning that part of growing up. He is way to young to be doing all these different dirty, unwholesome things.
Entery Number: 10
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 63-70
*Somethings I can understand of Holden and support the decisions he makes like trying to punch Stradlater for his dirty deeds or supposed dirty deeds but then there are things he does that disgust me and I'm totally against. It is so sick when he gets "emotionally stirred up" so he calls that lady that is basically a prostitute and wants her to come over. He can be such a dirt boy sometimes. He says himself, "Sex is something I really don't understand too hot." So why would he engage in something that he doesn't even understand and is completely immoral unless bound in marriage. It's just stupid and disgusting. Also his smoking and drinking problem also. Smoking is just absolutely revolting. I hate it. People who smoke smell bad, they look ugly, their teeth are ugly. I don't see how anybody would want to kiss a guy like that and for guys how could they kiss a girl who smoked and had to put a ton of makeup on to hid her ugliness. Smoking is just gross. It's is rather sad though, when many who have smoked and tried to stop or have stopped come up positive for cancer. But those who continue to smoke have less problems. It shouldn't be that way. Those who truely want to stop shouldn't be challenged with cance but you reap what you sow. It's a sad fate. That's why you should never get into such habits that will damage you, short term or long term. Also, Holden's drinking problem. He's only sixteen and he's into smoking and drinking. I'm just glad most of the time in the story it is not given to him. Drinking can some of the best men and women into the meanest or stupidest people ever. So many lives are lost due to drinking. Holden is still learning that part of growing up. He is way to young to be doing all these different dirty, unwholesome things.
Journal Entery
Date: September 27, 2007
Entery Number: 9
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 60
*It's interesting how Holden is always wondering about the ducks in the lagoon at Central Park and if they get taken away or if they fly away. This can be compared to Holden himself and how he will fit into the sceme of things and the process of going from child to teen to adult. In the winter birds are known to fly south because it is warmer down south. When baby birds are born in the spring, they have not yet had that chance to fly south. As winter comes, so does their chance of flying south and back. When they do come back they are grown and have lots more knowledge, even though birds are still pretty stupid. They have gotten to experience more and are now adults basically. If someone had to take them away, then they would not have had that learning, flying experience and would still be immature. They would eventually learn but it would take a whole lot longer. Holden can not "fly away" because he doesn't know how but he doesn't want anyone to "take him away" or force him to become an adult either. He is like a bird caught in the northern states that cannot fly south. He doesn't know how to become an adult, doesn't really want to become an adult, and doesn't know how he will fit in because he doesn't like the few choices that are given him. So he is staying in the same spot not growing at all. He is fighting against the tide that will pull him out to the sea and make him a man. He is going to screw his life up trying to fight against society and conforming to their rules.
Entery Number: 9
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 60
*It's interesting how Holden is always wondering about the ducks in the lagoon at Central Park and if they get taken away or if they fly away. This can be compared to Holden himself and how he will fit into the sceme of things and the process of going from child to teen to adult. In the winter birds are known to fly south because it is warmer down south. When baby birds are born in the spring, they have not yet had that chance to fly south. As winter comes, so does their chance of flying south and back. When they do come back they are grown and have lots more knowledge, even though birds are still pretty stupid. They have gotten to experience more and are now adults basically. If someone had to take them away, then they would not have had that learning, flying experience and would still be immature. They would eventually learn but it would take a whole lot longer. Holden can not "fly away" because he doesn't know how but he doesn't want anyone to "take him away" or force him to become an adult either. He is like a bird caught in the northern states that cannot fly south. He doesn't know how to become an adult, doesn't really want to become an adult, and doesn't know how he will fit in because he doesn't like the few choices that are given him. So he is staying in the same spot not growing at all. He is fighting against the tide that will pull him out to the sea and make him a man. He is going to screw his life up trying to fight against society and conforming to their rules.
Journal Entery
Date: September 26, 2007
Entery Number: 8
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 54
I wonder why Mrs. Morrow sat next to Holden when the whole car on the train was empty? That was also what Holden was thinking too. "...she had this big bag with her...stuck the bag right out in the middle of the aisle, where...everybody could trip over it." She could have sat in an empty seat where she would have had enough room to put her bag but for some reason she sat right next to him. Maybe she just wanted to have a friendly conversation and Holden looked like a good canidate for good conversation. Maybe she just wanted to know how her son was doing at Pencey Prep, seeing the Pencey Prep sticker on Holden's suitcase, assuming he went there. Really I have no idea and neither did Holden. It doesn't make any sense but I don't think it is anything to big to ponder on. But still, I wonder why she sat right next to Holden?
Entery Number: 8
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 54
I wonder why Mrs. Morrow sat next to Holden when the whole car on the train was empty? That was also what Holden was thinking too. "...she had this big bag with her...stuck the bag right out in the middle of the aisle, where...everybody could trip over it." She could have sat in an empty seat where she would have had enough room to put her bag but for some reason she sat right next to him. Maybe she just wanted to have a friendly conversation and Holden looked like a good canidate for good conversation. Maybe she just wanted to know how her son was doing at Pencey Prep, seeing the Pencey Prep sticker on Holden's suitcase, assuming he went there. Really I have no idea and neither did Holden. It doesn't make any sense but I don't think it is anything to big to ponder on. But still, I wonder why she sat right next to Holden?
Journal Entery
Date: September 26, 2007
Entery Number: 7
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 47
It is quite interesting how Stradlater and Ackley are somewhat juxtaposed but then have similarities too. To Holden, both Stradlater and Ackley are stupid but if you stand Stradlater next to Ackley, Stradlater is a genius. With Stradlater, "You didn't have to explain every...little thing with him,the way you had to do with Ackley" (33). Stradlater wasn't slow like Ackley but Strad was never interested in much unless it had some type of sex appeal in it. Ackley was just really nosey. It's funny how both guys are somewhat slobbish. It is more clearly demonstrated by Ackley with his teeth, how he messes with his acne a lot, his crummy nails, and other stuff as well. Stradlater is secret in his slobbish ways, though. Strad looks good but the razor he shaves with is old, rusty, and full of lather and hair. He never cleans it out. That just grosses me out. Both of them gross me out and both are disgusting, sometimes in different ways. They are both on different social status levels but they both have things in common.
Entery Number: 7
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 47
It is quite interesting how Stradlater and Ackley are somewhat juxtaposed but then have similarities too. To Holden, both Stradlater and Ackley are stupid but if you stand Stradlater next to Ackley, Stradlater is a genius. With Stradlater, "You didn't have to explain every...little thing with him,the way you had to do with Ackley" (33). Stradlater wasn't slow like Ackley but Strad was never interested in much unless it had some type of sex appeal in it. Ackley was just really nosey. It's funny how both guys are somewhat slobbish. It is more clearly demonstrated by Ackley with his teeth, how he messes with his acne a lot, his crummy nails, and other stuff as well. Stradlater is secret in his slobbish ways, though. Strad looks good but the razor he shaves with is old, rusty, and full of lather and hair. He never cleans it out. That just grosses me out. Both of them gross me out and both are disgusting, sometimes in different ways. They are both on different social status levels but they both have things in common.
Journal Entery
Date: September 25, 2007
Entery Number: 6
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 34, 42-45
I find it pretty crazy and absolutely disgusting that Stradlater could have done it with Jane Gallagher. I could easily see how it would bug Holden the whole night thinking about one of his childhood friends, who was his best friend growing up, being out late with a guy like Stradlater who turns out to be a pretty sexual guy. Once Stradlater comes back, at 10:30 which was an hour later than what Jane signed out for, Holden asks him, "What'd you do?...Give her the time in Ed Banky's...car?" Stradlater's reply to this was, "That's a professional secret, buddy." That made Holden really mad and he tried to punch Stradlater but missed and he ended up on the floor with Stradlater holding him down. I just find it really dirty for Stradlater to be doing anything like that. That type of interaction should only be done in the bonds of marriage. It's interesting how throughout the years, that is one part of society that hasn't changed. Immorality is what the youth of these days are seeing a lot more. It is everywhere. On TV, in magazines, movies, and just everywhere. We are told not to do those things and yet we see it everyday. The fact that we do see it everyday, everywhere is one of the factors that have changed since the 1950's. If I were in Holden's position, I would have done the same thing but I would have tried to aim better and get a good punch in.
Entery Number: 6
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 34, 42-45
I find it pretty crazy and absolutely disgusting that Stradlater could have done it with Jane Gallagher. I could easily see how it would bug Holden the whole night thinking about one of his childhood friends, who was his best friend growing up, being out late with a guy like Stradlater who turns out to be a pretty sexual guy. Once Stradlater comes back, at 10:30 which was an hour later than what Jane signed out for, Holden asks him, "What'd you do?...Give her the time in Ed Banky's...car?" Stradlater's reply to this was, "That's a professional secret, buddy." That made Holden really mad and he tried to punch Stradlater but missed and he ended up on the floor with Stradlater holding him down. I just find it really dirty for Stradlater to be doing anything like that. That type of interaction should only be done in the bonds of marriage. It's interesting how throughout the years, that is one part of society that hasn't changed. Immorality is what the youth of these days are seeing a lot more. It is everywhere. On TV, in magazines, movies, and just everywhere. We are told not to do those things and yet we see it everyday. The fact that we do see it everyday, everywhere is one of the factors that have changed since the 1950's. If I were in Holden's position, I would have done the same thing but I would have tried to aim better and get a good punch in.
Journal Entery
Date: September 25, 2007
Entery Number: 5
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 38-39
Even though Holden is a pretty strange kid, I really do feel sorry for him. When he was thirteen his younger brother Allie died from leukemia. He really loved his brother very much and admired him for his different qualities. On the night that he died, Holden went into a rage and smashed all the garage windows cutting up his hands and breaking them. His parents were going to have him psychoanalyzed, which would have been the best thing for him, but I guess they didn't follow through with it. Allie had a unique left handed fielder's mit. He wrote poems all over it so that when he was in the field and had nothing to do he would at least have something to read. Holden ended up writing Stradlater's paper on this but when old Stradlater read it, he found it quite stupid which really upset Holden so he ripped it to shreds. Holden had written this from his heart, his memories, and love of his brother and Stradlater couldn't accecpt it because it wasn't the way he had wanted it and because it was about a dumb baseball glove. Stradlater didn't know the story behind the glove but I'm sure he still wouldn't like it much. Holden really loved his brother and I think the reason why Holden is a strange kid is because of Allie's death. He hasn't gotten completely over it yet and having that psychoanalyzis would have been an exellent idea. I wonder why his parents didn't follow through with it?
Entery Number: 5
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 38-39
Even though Holden is a pretty strange kid, I really do feel sorry for him. When he was thirteen his younger brother Allie died from leukemia. He really loved his brother very much and admired him for his different qualities. On the night that he died, Holden went into a rage and smashed all the garage windows cutting up his hands and breaking them. His parents were going to have him psychoanalyzed, which would have been the best thing for him, but I guess they didn't follow through with it. Allie had a unique left handed fielder's mit. He wrote poems all over it so that when he was in the field and had nothing to do he would at least have something to read. Holden ended up writing Stradlater's paper on this but when old Stradlater read it, he found it quite stupid which really upset Holden so he ripped it to shreds. Holden had written this from his heart, his memories, and love of his brother and Stradlater couldn't accecpt it because it wasn't the way he had wanted it and because it was about a dumb baseball glove. Stradlater didn't know the story behind the glove but I'm sure he still wouldn't like it much. Holden really loved his brother and I think the reason why Holden is a strange kid is because of Allie's death. He hasn't gotten completely over it yet and having that psychoanalyzis would have been an exellent idea. I wonder why his parents didn't follow through with it?
Journal Entery
Date: September 24, 2007
Entery Number: 4
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 24-25
When discribing how nice Stradlater could be to Ackley, Holden says, "Stradlater's all right. He's not too bad...You don't know him, that's the trouble...He's concited, but he's very generous in some things." He goes on to say that if Stradlater was wearing a tie you really like he would probably give it to you. The thing is though most conceited men are not very nice like Holden is making him out to be. Most of the time conceited people are to high up on their high horses to even bother to look down at others who are not well groomed or very wealthy. Later on a little more of Stradlater is shown when he tries to worm his way out of doing his english homework and ponning it off on Holden who is getting kicked out of Pencey Prep because he is failing almost every class. He asks nice enough but once Holden doesn't give him a straight answer he gets a little mad because he needed to know if he would have to pon it off on someone else. Sometimes he really shows his conceitedness and you can see how he can be kind of mean. The English homework example is not the best to show how he could be mean but it does show how fake he is and how lazy he could be. From reading the book you don't get very good vibes off of the character that Stradlater is.
Entery Number: 4
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pgs. 24-25
When discribing how nice Stradlater could be to Ackley, Holden says, "Stradlater's all right. He's not too bad...You don't know him, that's the trouble...He's concited, but he's very generous in some things." He goes on to say that if Stradlater was wearing a tie you really like he would probably give it to you. The thing is though most conceited men are not very nice like Holden is making him out to be. Most of the time conceited people are to high up on their high horses to even bother to look down at others who are not well groomed or very wealthy. Later on a little more of Stradlater is shown when he tries to worm his way out of doing his english homework and ponning it off on Holden who is getting kicked out of Pencey Prep because he is failing almost every class. He asks nice enough but once Holden doesn't give him a straight answer he gets a little mad because he needed to know if he would have to pon it off on someone else. Sometimes he really shows his conceitedness and you can see how he can be kind of mean. The English homework example is not the best to show how he could be mean but it does show how fake he is and how lazy he could be. From reading the book you don't get very good vibes off of the character that Stradlater is.
Journal Entery
Date: September 24, 2007
Entery Number: 3
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 20
I don't understand what Holden means when he says, "With a guy like Ackley, if you looked up from your book you were a goner. You were a goner anyway, but not as quick if you didn't look up right away." Holden didn't look up at first when Ackley came in but he did later and he wasn't a goner. He got sort of irritated because Ackley would always pick up his and other people's stuff, look at it, and put it in a different place every single the time. The way Holden portays Ackley and from the dialog he has in the book Ackley seems like a pretty slow guy with a bad personnal care status who could very well pound you but only if you were being mean to him. So it doesn't make sense when Holden says, "With a guy like Ackley...you were a goner." You might be low on patience because he's so slow, irritating, disgusting, and annoying but other than that I don't see how anybody would be a goner when it comes to Ackley.
Entery Number: 3
Page/Quote reflecting on: Pg. 20
I don't understand what Holden means when he says, "With a guy like Ackley, if you looked up from your book you were a goner. You were a goner anyway, but not as quick if you didn't look up right away." Holden didn't look up at first when Ackley came in but he did later and he wasn't a goner. He got sort of irritated because Ackley would always pick up his and other people's stuff, look at it, and put it in a different place every single the time. The way Holden portays Ackley and from the dialog he has in the book Ackley seems like a pretty slow guy with a bad personnal care status who could very well pound you but only if you were being mean to him. So it doesn't make sense when Holden says, "With a guy like Ackley...you were a goner." You might be low on patience because he's so slow, irritating, disgusting, and annoying but other than that I don't see how anybody would be a goner when it comes to Ackley.
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